Freeze vs. Gravity

So, we have these two Y spells which allow the warlock to set up several combos and have multiple uses: Freeze and Gravity. (We won't be discussing Link, because Link is a whole other style of play - bringing the enemy to you as opposed to knocking them away.) Let's compare the two.

Freeze -

PROS:
-disables the enemy for a short period of time
-allows spells to easily land on the target (especially firespray)
-completely counters thrust and WW
-counters tele scourge

CONS:
-enemies take reduced damage while frozen
-can be blocked with all other projectiles
-requires more precise aiming than gravity


Gravity -

PROS:
-Easy to aim the initial gravity
-Can set up potentially devastating firesprays/splitter/meteors by using the gravity's pull
-Cannot be blocked by projectiles
-Can drag enemy warlocks into lava

CONS:
-More expensive than freeze
-Much harder to set up combos
-Does not have enough force at level 1 to counter WW/Thrust
-May screw up teammate's spells thrown near the gravity

They both have their ups and downs. I'd like to hear what everyone's opinion is. I've long been using freeze, and find it great, but after testing gravity, I am just loving the insane knockback firespray or the new splitter can do when thrown into a gravity. The defensive uses of freeze and ease of use make it hard to decide between the two.

Let's hear it. Freeze or gravity?

Personally, ill always prefer link, but btw those 2, i prefer freeze

Why?

Well this is my opinion but u can shield gravity now, ice basically makes them in total vaulneribility. And Gravity can make it so missed shots at others go to u. So Id say freeze as well =)

And sometimes when u throw a projective through ur enemy's grav, it goes straight to him even tho u aimed in the grav, not directly on ur opponent

@Whiskey

X = warlock / Y = gravity / F = Fireball


X (Y-->) (<--F) X

The lock on the left is throwing gravity, the one on the right is throwing fireball into the gravity, which is going in the opposite direction of the fireball. The fireball won't hit the lock on the left, so I'm failing to see your point.

For me it really depends on gold amount started with and per round, if you have enough money to pump up your gravity id way rather prefer it, but if you're playing a cheap game id say freeze for sure, gravity is fun to try combos with, but freeze has better advantages, 1v1 its freeze for sure, ffa, id say gravity, and teams, id go freeze again, but this is all just my opinion.

Gravity can be combo'd effectively even at level 1, so I really don't think the amount of gold you have plays a huge part.

And I'm not saying Gravity is necessarily better, just trying to start some good discussion.

When considering which of two things are "better", I like to pretend that each thing is being used perfectly. In this case, let's pretend that you have designed the perfect A.I. for warlocks. Freeze can be dodged. The collision size of it is too small, combined with its relatively slow speed, means that only human error can allow you to be hit by freeze. Gravity, however, has a large enough AoE to ensure that the enemy will be affected by it. Also, remembering the fact that a perfect A.I. will be able to normally dodge a spell by moving, Gravity will prevent such dodging. Only the use of another spell can prevent yourself from being affected by gravity, and the follow-up spells after gravity.

My conclusion is that gravity is a more powerful spell than freeze. By stating this, I am NOT saying you should always get gravity. We are not flawless A.I.s, afterall. I am just stating that when all other variables are set aside, such as shield usage, player skill, ect., gravity is better than freeze.

Soul-Scythe wrote:

We are not flawless A.I.s, afterall.

I am.

Well all of this is true but it depends on what kind of build. Because ive seen amazing builds with freeze, nad gravity not so much, if i went lots of combos, gravity wouldnt help nfact it might make it worse.

Kaba, you fail at arguments.

Like, you don't specify what combos gravity would "make..worse".

lol Muffinz you just love ripping on Kaba, although you do have a point , but reffering to my argument muffinz, with the having more gold, I just prefer gravity with more gold because , my personal opinion is freeze is better and no need really to pump much gold into it, but to make gravity really worth it you have to pump it up with all your money, so you can buy freeze and pump up another spell, but like i said its all really personal preferences/playstyles/ and which you can use more efficiently.

Again, what I'm saying is that gravity can be used as effectively at level 1 as level 5.

EDIT: I could care less if Kaba said that or not, his (lack of) argument fails.

Same with freeze though, and it really matters your playstyle and the mode your playing on like i said in my first post,and again this is just what II prefer,

Teams(Depending if you can easily communicate to combo with gravity):<- If not (Freeze)
FFA:AOE+Gravity pumped up are great defenders and ks'ers.
1v1:Freeze will give you the time to refresh spells and lay an easy firespray.etc. on them,not to mention block ww.
DM:Same applies to ffa.
For any wierdos who play Avatar or Ghost:I'd go Gravity

Teams(Depending if you can easily communicate to combo with gravity):<- If not (Freeze)

Gravity can successfully disable several enemies and allow your teammates to throw spells into the gravity with ease.

(Yes that is why i mentioned the fact of being able to easily communicate, that part, or working well as a team)


1v1:Freeze will give you the time to refresh spells and lay an easy firespray.etc. on them,not to mention block ww.
DM:Same applies to ffa.

A firespray/grav combo is WAY deadlier than freeze/firespray. Also, when your opponents are pulled away, your CDs are obviously being refreshed since they'll have a very hard time hitting you.

(More deadly , yea, but more evasive, i'd say not so much cause again for it to pull them back that much you have to upgrade it atleast a little bit, but like you mentioned in your very first post Freeze is harder to aim than gravity , so its really a trade off, depending on what other spells you have to evade(Shield,Tele,etc) If you dont have many of them freeze will do the trick plus you can damage them a good deal with firespray, but if you have many of those evasions spells and you need a heavy damage do'er or a finisher, a gravity combo would be the way to go.

Freeze > Gravity.
Although freeze may be harder to aim, easier to dodge.
Gravity can also be re-directed by shield =) Which almost everyone seems to use..

Yes Sarah but so can freeze, and if freeze is easier to dodge , that messes with your argument a little bit.

True, although I think it's more on the persons style of play. In my opinion gravity is pointless and a pain in the butt to use.

It only does good in my opinion when upgraded to lvl 3-4, which is very expensive.
While freeze gives you time to get away or knock a person back.

Yea that would follow my argument, pretty much exactly, style of play is the biggest factor.

Most definitely, because most of the "newbies" i play with prefer gravity > freeze. Because it's easier to manipulate, but after a while when they try freeze and get use too it. Most of them prefer freeze.

shush about this freeze greavity thing... what is it going to help aynways?

Helping me decide between the two?

Ur svatar is really sad sarah...